Anonymous asked:

Did you not see what this did to Leelah? Zander? Alex? I could go on, and thats the problem. 2 of my trans friends have attempted suicide this week because of parents like you. Think about that. Do you really want your son becoming another hashtag?

4thwavenow answered:

“Because of parents like you.” Parents who dare to question medical transition are all the same to you, aren’t they? We’re just hateful people who don’t care about our kids. Callous killers of our own children.  Do you even read what I write? Do you really believe that the only option for a gender nonconforming teenager is to medically transition or die? Because that is what my blog is about: medical transition of minors.

You know nothing about me, but because the rest of your comment/question is reasonably respectful–and, in fact, important–here is my response. I”m copying something I wrote from a longer post on this topic. 

But maybe, just maybe, some of these young people want to die because 21st century society has given them the message that they cannot live their lives legitimately and happily in the bodies they were born in if they do not conform to gender stereotypes. That if they don’t like “girly” things or are “sissy boys,” or if they identify with and enjoy pursuits and body ornamentation traditionally associated with the opposite sex, they and their families must push for a medical diagnosis that will commit them to a chronic, expensive health condition involving lifelong drug treatment and repeated plastic surgeries; that they will have to live like Type 1 diabetics, requiring treatment for the rest of their lives. How can all of this pressure to conform not contribute to a sense of hopelessness and despair?

radfem-momma:

whitmanizer:

radfem-momma:

if you read alcorn’s comments its clear that they didn’t want to be a woman unless they could be a pretty one. Better dead than ugly I suppose? how depressing.

I really agree with most radfem ideologies but it’s shit like this that makes me want to vomit. How does Leelah wanting to change herself hurt you? how does it affect your life at all? 

You’re a bully. You pick on the weak…worse, you pick on the dead. 

You sound no different than Joseph Nicholosi. 

You are shitting on literally the most vulnerable population of youth. 

It isn’t picking on anyone to accurately discuss their comments. transgenderreality has many examples of teens like alcorn discussing how puberty “ruins” their bodies and makes them ugly. The alternative to transition is always suicide in these toxic online groups. I really resent the idea that the only reason to be a woman is to be a pretty one. We are so much more than that.

As for how it affects me- I got to raise children in this world.  Martyring people who kill themselves has been shown to spawn copy cats. I am not okay with reverence for what Alcorn decided to do.  They decided to traumatize another person w/their death. They stepped in front of a truck. Imagine driving that truck that someone else decided to step out in front of. Imagine people on tumblr literally tracking you down for harassment because you drove a truck that someone else decided to step in front of. Imagine your child killing themselves and then you can’t even have a funeral without a bunch of asshole strangers from the internet showing up to “correct” their gravestone. its so gross.

There is a post about teen suicide threats being encouraged by certain subReddit denizens at the following link. This comment is pertinent here:

http://transgenderreality.com/2015/04/17/just-tell-her-to-shut-the-fuck-up/comment-page-1/#comment-332

Teens and tweens can be masters of manipulation and emotional extortion. Typically, [they] are using suicide (not those who are ill and actually suicidal) as a bargaining chip…

They do this to parents, teachers, and significant others. It can be frustrating but we must not see it as malevolent, rather it is a sign of immaturity and the self centeredness that kids have to grow out of. And most of them do grow out of it.

What IS malevolent is when adults manipulate and misguide children.

Encouraging kids to threaten suicide, insisting that trans and suicide go hand in hand, and that there is NO OTHER WAY (because no hrt and surgery RIGHT NOW will cause death by way of suicide) is reckless disregard for human life. Kids are highly impressionable. Just mentioning suicide to them could cause suicidal ideation. This could lead to attempts which could result in death. Intentionally or not. No kid who actually died from a suicide attempt ever came back to say whether or not he/she meant to die.

Anyone over the age of 18 who suggets suicide as a tactic to a minor child should be subject to criminal prosecution. It is depraved indifference to their mental and physical wellbeing.”