Medical “transition” is seen as the magic bullet. But here’s a thought: What if the other, very common, comorbid disorders are actually the cause of the body dissociation that is now celebrated and promoted as “gender identity”?  Why do we rush to hack up healthy young bodies and dose them with powerful hormones, rather than addressing the brain that erroneously thinks it should be attached to a different physical form? Why has it become taboo to pose the obvious hypothesis: Maybe we have it exactly backwards. It’s the brain that is mistaken–not the body.

Questions like these should not be controversial.  They should not generate a whole new avalanche of hate mail in my Tumblr inbox. Questions like these should spur thinking, caring people–people who claim to care about suicidal and troubled teens–to investigate deeper; to put the brakes on the headlong rush to drugs and surgery as THE solution to a complex intersection of mental health issues.

Trans activists, take heed.

Update: I am sharing, with her permission, a comment by an Irish reader from my WordPress blog. See the link above for more of the thread:

I never started medical transition but was on the path to and had been to a few doctors about it trying to get a referral to a gender therapist but in the meantime I found blogs like this one and they really opened my eyes.

I’m currently seeing a therapist that has some experience with trans people and shes really helped me with dealing with my dysphoria so im no longer looking to be referred on to the gender therapist. I think my autism has a lot to do with the dysphoria and body dissociation, the dysphoria was there as long as i can remember and got much worse during puberty and then the bodily dissociation started happening too along with depression.

I’ve also noticed alot of trans people have other conditions like depression or bipolar and they think its caused by being trans but i think its the other way around.

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“Identifying with” vs “Identifying as”

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Growing up I identified with the other little boys a lot, and with the other girls almost not at all. I identified with the rough and tumble lifestyle of the boys, and with their carefree adventuring. The girls in the neighborhood would tag along with the boys at times, but it was always tagging along. The girls were never the Captain. When the boys played street hockey, the girls came too, but they sat on the sidelines and cheered and talked. I played, of course, until I was about 9 years old and despite the extra pads and helmet my dad made me wear, he decided that it was too rough and that I couldn’t play with the boys any more. He was right, of course, the boys *were* rough, but so was I! I identified with the boys.

When I watched TV and saw a married couple, I always identified with the husband. I knew that when I eventually married that I wanted to be the one providing for the family, doling out wisdom and discipline, and being left alone to pursue my own intellectual interests whenever I wasn’t doing one of those things. That’s what I saw. I certainly didn’t identify with the idea of rearing the children and devoting my life to child, family, and house care. I wanted to be an independent person inside of a family support system. I saw that in the husband’s position in the family. I identified with the husband.

When I was a teenager and the young men around me were obsessed with music, body modification, and girls, I identified with them. I knew other young dykes, but the ones that I knew seemed more obsessed with being queer* than anything else, and I couldn’t relate. I identified with the simplicity of being an adolescent male, in part because really nothing was expected of them. I spent high school playing hardcore shows and avoiding other lesbians. At 15 my then-girlfriend starting calling me her boyfriend and I bound for the first time. My male friends treated me like “one of the guys,” which is to say, as a completely distinct phenomenon from the other females. My feelings of being different, of being “not like the other girls,” were reinforced with every turn. I was able to “opt-out” of the gross objectification of my female peers, largely through this understanding of my identification. I identified with my young male friends.

As a young adult, my identification with became my identification as. The lines had blurred, and I no longer saw the distinction – if I had seen it at all up to that point. I became one of the young men, instead of the one female allowed in our boys’ club. I was accepted with open arms, and my identity was affirmed from all directions in my social circle.

It wasn’t until many years later that I really had to start untangling the differences between identifying with the men in my life, versus identifying as a man. I think that if I had had Butch women or other young Butches in my life at some of these critical moments that I would have identified with them, instead of males. The sad fact is that Butch women and the Butch experience is really not something that is accessible or visible to the vast majority of our youth. As a young person, so much of one’s sense of self is shaped by one’s role models, that it seems no wonder that a young GNC female would feel identity and kinship with males, instead of with females, if no Butch or GNC females are available as role models. If the only people that talk about their bodies the way the way that a young GNC female experiences her body identify as men, then it is clear to see why more and more GNC females are identifying as men and transitioning.

I am most motivated by myself ten or twenty years ago to keep pushing and keep being visible. It is sometimes very hard to stand up and talk about my dysphoria or my transition, but I think it’s worth it for future generations. Our young Butches and GNC females need to see their lives and experiences reflected in a way that is positive about being female and accepting of one’s female body. I just want to be the example that I wish I had had as a child. If I can show even one young woman that she is completely in charge of her body and the way that she uses it to express herself, then I will have accomplished my goals. I think there’s a lot more than one out there, though. I think there are a lot of us that need this healing visibility. I will continue to put my words and face out there for as long as it takes.

I love, love, love this blog.

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pizzaback-deactivated20201011 asked:

What would you do if one of your children were trans? kick them out of your home? send them to conversion therapy? deny their identity until they hate themselves for it? I'm always curious to know how radfem mothers would handle an actual trans person entering their lives.

slaybia-majora-deactivated20160 answered:

My children wouldn’t feel the need to “identify” as anything other than themselves because they understand that how they look and what they wear doesn’t change anything. They are smart enough to know that sex can’t be changed and that nothing is “feminine” or “masculine”.  

skeletrender:

slaybia-majora:

4thwavenow:

dbrvnk:

I can totally see what you are saying with this. At the same time though… it does seem like you are seriously underestimating the influence of the outside world on children. 

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You raise some interesting points here. There is such a delicate balance with teenagers, who tend to discount their parents’ advice and opinions about just about everything. And at this stage of life, it’s easy to want to act NOW, future consequences be damned.

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Pretty much what 4thwavenow said.

People seem to think that if one of my children came to me and told me they would rather be a different gender than I would suddenly hate them and throw them out onto the street, but that couldn’t be farther from the truth. If I were ever faced with that, they would need me even more than ever and abandoning one of my children is never an option to me.

The bottom line is that I would find them the help they needed to get to the root of why they felt it necessary to transition as opposed to simply and suddenly forcing them into a transition they may regret.

Okay but what you’re describing sounds dangerously close to conversion therapy.

I know a lot of people (especially since John Jolie-Pitt started becoming a big media sensation) think that parents of transgender youth are the ones with all the agency when it comes to their children’s transition. In reality, a lot of us have to *beg* our parents to let/help us transition.

I appreciate the tone of your reblog. I think what I, and maybe some other parents, are trying to do is suggest that young people explore alternatives before–or better yet, **instead of**–making the huge, permanently life-altering decisions involved in hormones and surgical treatments. And parents like me (and I am not like the religious nuts who talk about sin and hellfire), because we want to protect our kids from making decisions they may regret later, just aren’t down with financing and supporting these invasive medical interventions. 

With respect, I totally get that you and some others have felt thwarted by parents when you really, really feel medical transition is the right thing for you. But what alarms me is that the trend in society is toward speeding up transition, dismissing any doubts, even when those doubts are based on legitimate concerns about the permanent effects of hormones and surgeries. There is really no going back from many of the effects, especially for girls who transition. If you’ve spent any time at all reading the writing of women who have detransitioned,  they now have to struggle for the rest of their lives with the changes wrought by “T” to their vocal folds, their reproductive organs, their hair follicles, and (in some cases) their brains (many talk about being much angrier than they were before). Yes, I know it all seems like the right thing now. Maybe it will STILL feel right to you when you’re 40, 60, 80. But you don’t know now. You CAN’T know. 

Why not just be “gender nonconforming” without tampering with your body until the frontal lobes of your brain are fully developed? Look it up: That doesn’t happen until the mid-20s. Why does that even matter? Because that part of the brain is in charge of things like awareness of future consequences; impulse control; perspective; judgment. 

Do whatever you want short of medical intervention, then see how you feel in a few years.  And you know, making big medical decisions is an ADULT thing. You can be angry at your parents for not agreeing with, and not paying for, a decision you want to make;  but it seems fair to me to ask a child to reach the age of medical majority, then work a job, or do whatever else it takes, to pay for and cope like an adult with all the expenses and difficulties of transition, if that’s what they really want at age 18+. 

It’s hard, because a lot of therapists, and the media, are telling you that transition is the way. Why don’t those adults sway your parents? Well, I don’t know how many of you have parents who have bothered to look more deeply into this, but the long-term effects of medical transition have not been studied  and there are some worrying indicators. (My blog is full of those indicators.)

And this is the part where (if you’re under 30 especially) you will probably stop listening: Trust me when I tell you that I was 100% certain about a lot of things between ages 15-25 that I have totally done a 180 on as an adult. For what it’s worth.

You guys forget that parents were adolescents once. Yeah, I know. I sound like your mom. It’s easy to make parents the enemy for not granting you exactly what you want, when you want it. It’s much harder to realize most of us are asking you to slow down because we actually do love you.

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Anonymous asked:

That anon here. My dysphoria mostly manifests as a disconnect/dissociation. I often feel surprised to hear my own voice and how high it is, for example. I don’t think I hate my body, but it feels alien to me. The dysphoria also often manifests as envy, which is a much worse feeling. I feel particularly green when I see photos of flat chests. Other people’s transition photos set me off too.

redressalert answered:

Hey anon, thanks for your patience with me.

I can understand and relate a lot to what you’re talking about in terms of being surprised or taken aback by your features, expecting them to be different, and feeling surreal/detached from your physical form. Obviously there’s a lot to unpack in what I am about to say, but some things that have helped me the most with that set of issues are:

1. Physical exercise would sometimes give me moments of “alignment” overall–not necessarily with this or that “part,” but if I could get my body working as a whole, and feel blood circulating through it, that would become a basis for experiencing myself as being inside it in a more aligned and complete way, and I could build on that experience over time to draw myself back in in times of distress. Muscle memory, almost.

2. Meditation of the variety where you lose language, “take off” stories, release value judgments, self-concepts…let them fall away and focus entirely on breath. Lately I have been playing with using sound at times–not words, which for me tend to activate the judging behavior in my mind, but just vowel sounds and humming vibrations that resonate in different parts of the body. I can recommend a woman who can teach you sound techniques like these if you’re interested. Just email me.

3. Developing a habit of “lightness” with respect to the disconnect. Remembering to tell myself that the feeling of disconnect just is what it is, does not need to have any narrative attached to it, and does not mean I need to do anything in particular. I notice the feeling of misalignment. I do not try to force a feeling of alignment. I do not frame it into a trans narrative. That in itself helps contain it so it doesn’t spiral out in that particular way.

4. Journal about the feeling of misalignment–the kind where you keep the pen moving no matter what for 3 pages, or 5 pages, or 10 pages–to get underneath the “natural” feeling of the misalignment into what’s underneath it. Free-associative writing can help with this a lot. It’s never “just because”–even though it insists it is, even though it really wants you to believe that’s the case. There’s always at least a fragment of information about when I first felt this disconnect, what else was connected, things like that. There’s often also information about how others perceive the aspect that feels misaligned, and how they have treated me because of it. This can be important to notice, too.

5. Pay attention to self care basics like food, sleep, emotional states (loneliness, anger), conditions like depression, sobriety. When any of those kinds of things go “off,” the disconnect can be much more likely to surface and more difficult to manage.

6. If transition photos or photos of dudes are triggering for you at times, you might want to try avoiding them. It might be interesting to try looking at images of women who are not “doing woman” in the usual way instead (i.e., the Wanted project photos and videos, the instagram I posted recently with photos and videos of a butch powerlifter), and see what impact that has on you. If it were me, I’d try journaling about how it feels physiologically and what thoughts I have in each case. Notice breathing, notice which parts of your body are tense or engaged, in each case. Notice what thoughts come. Things like that.

I’m sorry I can’t be very helpful about voice in particular, because I altered mine before I could attempt any reconciliation there. I regret not being able to learn all that I could have learned from my body if I had not changed it. The disconnect I felt from my voice was a signal. There was a thread there I needed to follow. I cut that one. 

I would like to tag lavenderjanestrikesback on this, too, because she has deep and important things to say about voice. Maybe you can write to her about that part of it.

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Physical dysphoria: a journey

radwitchescauldron:

radwitchescauldron:

First of all, I want to thank some folks who have been talking to me behind the scenes, redressalert, twentythreetimes and especially atranspaige, who encouraged this specific post.

I’m demographically old for Tumblr, so my outlook on gender issues is somewhat different. But I want to make a few things clear: I have experienced fairly severe dysphoria - to the point where I asked to have “everything cut off” when I was 17 and discovered breast reduction surgery was even a thing. That’s coming up.

I was raised in an intensely Christian community. I knew the word, “Faggot” well before I knew what it meant - and had heard it linked with atheism. I frequently wished I could somehow trade lives with my brother - and frequently took things he was given to indoctrinate him into masculinity. His barbells? Mine now. I whined and fussed to go on Boy Scout hikes and turned my nose up at FHA and Girl Scouts alike.

And around about 5th grade, my world came crashing down. Suddenly, I had hips, breasts, stretch marks, cellulite, a rounded tummy (but still a slim waist - I was shaped like Mae West when I was barely recovered from my obsession with dinosaurs.) I BLED. It felt like I was living in somebody else’s body -and I hated that body and hated myself.

Any woman can tell you what came next -public harassment - even rape threats. From grown men. Strangers, even. At 10 years old. And school went from a struggle - most of my teachers already considered me too “forward” for a girl, especially an Appalachian girl - to a nightmare. I still remember the rape threat from a classmate who included graphic detail of what tortures he wanted to inflict. I remember the names they called me for daring to be the first girl to hit puberty. And worse, for developing into such an exaggerated shape.

Reporting was useless. Teachers told me to ignore it, to be more modest, to be quieter, more proper. By seventh grade, my anxiety was so bad that my parents took me from doctor to doctor looking for a cure. But nobody asked me about the hatred that curled within for my body. By 8th grade, I convinced my school to require very few classes of me -I spent most of my time, including recess and often half of lunch in the library where I felt safe.

In high school, despite my dearest hopes, it didn’t get better. I was frequently suicidal, and when I tried talking to a preacher about it, he blew me off. Then - remember how I felt “safe” in libraries? Yeah, right up until a classmate sexually assaulted me in the stacks. I had been taught well - I knew exactly what to blame - that horrible body. It had to go. Boys pinched, shoved, grabbed, ignored every boundary but one. The girls restroom was safe. Until a pedophillic coach invaded while we were changing. And every indignity only further encouraged my body hatred.

I would wake up at night, unable to understand why these slabs of meat were attached to my chest. I fantasized about stealing my father’s chainsaw to cut them off. I wished I could get rid of my hips as well, remold my body into a different silhouette. As I was considering college (and being told by the same preacher who blew off my suicidal ideation that I should avoid secular colleges as they would make me an atheist) my parents told me about a surgeon they had heard about who could make breasts smaller.

I was so incredibly excited. I wanted them gone and this surgeon would do it in a way that my religious community wouldn’t object to - from the moment I entered the surgical area, there would be no men. (When you think about preserving safe spaces for women, remember that many women are religiously required to be modestly separated from men, and when you allow male bodied persons into those spaces, you exclude many, many women.) I would be allowed to do this! And then I could be modest and men would stop wanting to rape me! Hallelujah!! Even if I still had hips and stretch marks and small hands and feet, at least one of the things I hated would go away!

I went to talk to the surgeon (with my mother in the room, of course.) And I got up my courage. I asked her (even with my mother in the room!) to cut everything off. All of it. Gone. Please. She acted like she hadn’t heard anything, but told me that some people had unrealistic expectations of surgery and were a bad risk. She went on to tell me that her method, which was brand new would mean I could probably breast feed my babies and my husband would still be happy with my breasts, though part and possibly all of them would be numb.

After my first request, I didn’t have the courage to tell her I wanted neither husband nor babies.

I went through surgery, and she removed over 2 liters of tissue, but had to stop when my body betrayed me once more by going into shock on the surgical table. I was still a D cup. I recovered from the surgery and went to a secular college, where I discovered that men still wanted to rape me. I attempted suicide a couple times, rescued only by my own ineptitude. I went to make another attempt, this time by a more definitive method, only to have what I can only describe as a moment of spiritual epiphany at the last minute. I turned myself in to the student health center and informed them I was suicidal.

I wound up going back home and spending a couple years working and getting mental health care. During that time, I “discovered” feminism was more than a curse word in the mouths of the preachers. I went to community college. I realized I was bi, and my first friends in the community were lesbians. I left the church and left off calling myself a Christian. I eventually tried college again. I shaved my head. I gave up on female expectations for clothing and behavior. I learned martial arts: karate, judo, fencing. I learned to ground myself during depressive and dysphoric episodes. I accepted that no matter what I did to my body, none of it was changing the problem of males feeling entitled to my body. So I decided to fight the problem instead of my body.

I learned that I could be a woman who likes math and science. I could be a woman who is not submissive. I could be a woman who is strong, with broad shoulders and muscular arms from weightlifting and martial arts. And that womanhood was going to have to accommodate me. Because people will never stop assigning me to that category.

Which is why I find the concept of calling myself ‘cis’ ridiculous. Of course I don’t identify with the idea of womanhood as presented by our culture. It is absolutely toxic. But neither am I ‘trans’. I have not transitioned. Could not when I wanted to. Feel that it only encourages my body hatred to dwell on it. I am me.

4thwavenow
this is something more of my story if it will help your anon. I utterly empathize with being unable to transition. To the anon: feel free to hit up my ask box if you have questions for me.

Thank you so very much for sharing your story, radwitchescauldron.

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Anonymous asked:

Listen, I’m gonna be honest, I don’t agree with your politics. Thing is, people with your politics seem to be the only people willing to talk about alternatives to transition. Transition is probably impossible for me. What are the ways people cope with PHYSICAL dysphoria without medical transition?

4thwavenow answered:

Since I don’t have physical dysphoria, I’m not the best person to answer this in the kind of detail you deserve. I know there are people who can’t, or won’t do medical transition despite being in a lot of intense pain like it sounds like you are.

I have several followers who’ve had to deal with severe physical dysphoria. I’m asking them to respond here, now, by reblogging or replying to this thread. If no one does, I’ll find more help. I don’t want to tag anyone directly in case they feel uncomfortable with that.

I’ll tag any posts on the subject with #anon question physical dysphoria

Thank you for reaching out. I know your pain is very real. I have more to learn on this and I know others who read this blog do too.

radwitchescauldron:

I have dealt with my dysphoria by focusing on a different way of interacting with my body. I took up knitting and meditation, as well as several physical activities: weightlifting, fencing, martial arts, etc. rather than concentrating on my body as an aesthetic or sexed object, I work to see it as subject - the thing that allows me to go hiking, skiing, fencing. The development of muscles is a not unwelcome side effect. Basically, I look at my body as a thing whose actions I can control, whose strength and health I can build, but whose form is what it is.

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Anonymous asked:

About the responsibility of doctors and medical professionals. I saw a now 17-year old in the 'ftm' tag who had had both top surgery and hysto and was now preparing for lower surgery. Legal guardians aside, what kind of doctors perform mastectomy and hysterectomy on a physically healthy 16 year old?? The risks? The permanence? It's easy proclaiming you don't want kids as a teenager, when pregnancy is (mostly) a problem. It just saddened/angered me so.

From what I’ve seen and read, this is not at all uncommon. In fact, it seems it’s becoming so routine that the only question is which surgeon to choose. Most of the FTM blogs I’ve read through seem to assume that full transition is the ultimate goal; it’s only a matter of funding. If the parents of a teenager agree, there is nothing to stop the medical transition process for a minor.

There are definitely some young people who are looking for an alternative to medical transition, but what is on offer? Where are the voices of psychologists or doctors truly working on alternatives? I got a question in my inbox from someone asking for references to such alternatives, but we really need professionals with skill in working with dysphoria who can help. 

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