Should transgender hormonal treatments and surgeries be banned in the same way Body Dysmorphic Disorder sufferers aren't allowed to have their body parts removed? • /r/GenderCritical reddit.com
I’ve been thinking about this lately, I kind of tend to say yes but I’d be willing to compromise if trans women stopped trying to demand entry to…

This is a fascinating thread which touches on several posts I and others have made on the subject of the medicalization of GID/gender dysphoria. Read all the comments if you have time; there is some interesting nuance. The big question that arises for me after reading all the comments is: 

Given how extreme surgery and hormones are as a treatment–a lifelong, highly invasive treatment–why aren’t they seen as the very last resort? 

This is where the gender thing has gone completely off the rails. Kids and teens who profess gender dysphoria aren’t encouraged to at least explore ways that are less extreme than hormones and surgery to cope. They are now celebrated for their announcement, and the trend now is to make surgery and hormones much more accessible, to younger and younger people. “Informed consent” is replacing the WPATH standards, which many trans activists now deride as “gatekeeping” because of the requirement to seek therapy, receive a letter from a therapist confirming GID, and other requirements that encourage taking the process of “transition” slowly and carefully.

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Young FTMs and hysterectomy: “It’s all stagnant down there.” 4thwavenow.tumblr.com

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4thwavenow:

A few people who follow this blog expressed surprise that young women who are “transitioning” would choose—and readily receive from surgeons—complete hysterectomies. Making a permanent decision to have or not have children at such a young age seems…hasty.

While I had viewed 10 or so YouTubes from…

So no one explained to them the possibility of incontinence and a plethora of other issues from a hysterectomy? I mean, don’t get me wrong, if they’re going to take testosterone, then yes, it’s probably better to not have a uterus. But the uterus is not just an empty box waiting for a baby to be inserted. It’s a vital organ and part of a woman’s system. Removing it can result in organ displacement, vaginal collapse and goodness knows what else. 

I guess if you have thoroughly convinced yourself that you no longer have a “woman’s system,” you just want to be rid of all that internal garbage taking up space. Dissociation from biological reality is the hallmark of “transition.” I have watched enough of these YouTube confessionals to know that, not only do they not “identify” with their female organs, they see them as an enemy that “triggers” dysphoria. Menstruation, in particular, is frequently experienced as a horrible cross to bear every month.

Oh, I get that. My question is where in the hell do they find doctors willing to remove healthy, FUNCTIONAL organs to treat a MENTAL disorder?!? Your uterus has many other purposes, and there are far less drastic ways to get rid of a menstrual cycle than by taking out your internal organs. Are they having their ovaries removed as well? 

Yeah, that’s my question too, and I sure as hell am not justifying it. I place the blame far more on the medical establishment for enabling this than on the patient. I’m sorry, but how is this REALLY different from body dysmorphic disorder, where the patient wants (say) their arm cut off because they don’t “identify” with it? 

I can’t help but think of lobotomy, which was practiced as a solution to a variety of psychological issues. The procedure was so well respected for a time that its inventor, Egas Moniz, won the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 1949. Lobotomy at least sometimes “worked.” The emotional pain and behavioral issues some patients experienced were reduced. But at what price? Society realized the price was WAY TOO HIGH and now lobotomies are considered barbaric. 

There are treatment trends in medicine that wax and wane. Is it only a matter of time before surgery and hormones as treatment for gender dysphoria are also discredited?

As far as removing ovaries, it seems some are keeping them, some not. The ones who opt for removal then have to supplement their testosterone with estrogen. 

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destroyallnerds-deactivated2017 asked:

until you have the proper experience with sociology and biology, please don't try to argue about gender and sex with people that know better than you, it really just makes you look pathetic

draumstafir-deactivated20150606 answered:

I love when 13 year olds try to tell me I’m uneducated bc I don’t think vaginas are social constructs

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misunderstood your original response, my bad.

gender could exist as an internal thing if you’re literally only referring to your brain’s map of your body, I guess. but that’s not how these people define gender. (I’m assuming they’re anti-truscum, but regardless). I’m still not fully comfortable with that though?

I do believe dysphoria exists as in your brain’s map of your body doesn’t match with your physical body. But I don’t think the treatment for that is surgery…

no I feel you, a lot of tumblr discourse lately uses ‘gender’ when they mean ‘gender roles’ so shit gets confusing. if I may ask, what do you think the treatment for dysphoria should be?

not sure exactly but I think it should be treated as a psychological disorder or something? like people have brain maps that tell them they shouldn’t have a left arm but we don’t go and cut off their arms. correct the map, not the body.

are there examples of individuals having brain maps that lack limbs where their physical body has the limb? to my knowledge it’s only been the other way around (i.e. amputees and phantom limbs)

yeah there are - I’d find the sources for you but I’m on mobile. it’s obviously not as common as phantom limb but it does happen.

It’s called Body Dysmorphic Disorder and the treatment is definitely not amputation. Keep fighting the good fight draumstafir.

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throughalleternity asked:

right now. But something that's completely reversible is using the name and pronouns that your child wants. Maybe you're already doing this, and that's great! If not, this would be a good chance for your child to see if it feels right. Basically(2/?)

4thwavenow answered:

A “male” name is no problem. Wearing “men’s clothes” (I’ve often worn “men’s clothes” my entire adult life, having imbibed in the 70s-80s the then-radical-why-did-we-go-backwards-in-the-2000s idea that a WOman can wear anything she wants) is cool. But the pronoun thing feels like a slippery slope. I don’t think a person with two x chromosomes and a scientifically-verifiable female body is a “he” or a “him.” Transition is a conveyer belt, and certain things (like being called “he”) seem to me like they would increase dysphoria. Let me say I don’t doubt for a minute that the feeling and idea of dysphoria are real. I don’t question a person’s feelings. What I question is what to DO with that feeling.

sinbadism:

they would only increase dysphoria if the child felt dysphoric about those pronouns. actually use their preferred pronouns and you’ll see if they feel dysphoria or not.


Being called “he” would increase and validate the feeling/idea that she, as a biological female, is “in the wrong body.” It’s self-fulfilling. Dissociation from objective reality is only encouraged by the trans paradigm. With any other mental health diagnosis, dissociation is considered something to treat, not validate. People with body dysmorphic disorder (a different diagnosis) want to amputate healthy body parts, but psychologists and surgeons are not rushing to support that desire.

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