How much pressure do you feel to transition?

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genderdeceit:

4thwavenow:

Just curious: How many of you gender non-conforming girls/women feel pressure (from peers, media, whatever) to “transition” to male? Is it worse in some geographic areas or countries? There’s quite a bit of pressure in more urban or “blue” states here in the US. What’s your experience, girls on the front line?

(FtM perspective (sort of. I don’t know if that fits anymore. I stopped giving a shit a while ago))


I feel like one of the most dangerous aspects of the pressure to transition is that, often, it does not feel like you are being pressured. There are not many people saying ‘oh, you don’t make a good woman—transition!’ (though I have seen more and more of this over the last year or two), but rather there is a great deal of gentle coaxing and ‘innocent’ mistakes and assumptions (the preferred pronouns thing comes to mind here, or the stories I’ve heard from butch lesbians about being asked WHEN they plan to transition).

Obviously, there is and always has been a pressure for GNC women to become more gender conforming. Ten, twenty years ago, that pressure was for such people to act more like what society expects from a woman. But now, there is another option, and it is a disturbingly tantalizing one. Transition is an instantaneously appealing option, especially for those of us who deal with sex dysphoria and are promised (falsely) that it is a solution.

When you see the idea of transition or IDing as something other than woman, you are presented with so many new ideas about who you can be—FtM, NB, GQ, demi, or whatever other language is going ‘round the circles these days. And the moment you mention your desire to explore outside of what is traditionally associated with womanhood, you get so much support. Whenever you mention that you switched pronouns or came out to your parents or your best friend or that you talked to your doctor about T, you get patted on the back and told what a great job you’re doing and how people are proud of you. I can’t imagine how appealing this level of support is for a teenager.

(and don’t get me wrong, most people who offer support are not doing it with malicious intent. They are doing it out of the kindness of their hearts, and some of the most loving, generous, kind people I have met in my life are transmen. It’s a wider social problem that extends far beyond these individuals or even the trans community as a whole)

And worse, no one ever questions it. No one questions it! That is the scariest thing about this surge in trans politics. No one questions your self diagnosis. It’s outright taboo. During my transition, I saw a therapist. I had two doctors prescribing my testosterone. I had a third doctor aware of my transition, but treating a separate medical issue. I came out to my friends, my family, my employers. The only time that the motivation for my decision to transition was questioned was by my father. When I came out to him, he asked me if this was about liking women.

(It wasn’t—I like men—but it’s a perfectly valid question given the current state of trans politics)

I don’t know exactly where I was going with this, but I almost feel like ‘pressure’ is too simple a word for the phenomena of this massive spike in transition or female disidentification that we’ve seen over the last few years. It’s almost more akin to a mass psychogenic illness.

genderdeceit, thanks for this, so well put. Yes. It’s not like other kinds of “peer pressure” I have known. It’s…more insidious somehow. And tricky because it seems like a positive thing, as the “opposite” of being forced into stereotypical femininity. But it’s not the opposite. Not really. The idea that it is, is endlessly seductive. You really got it.

I also appreciated your saying that the transmen who do this don’t have malicious intent. I get really upset sometimes thinking about how I evangelized and looking at the domino effects—how many other young dykes I knew followed my lead down this path. I never intended harm. I know that. But intent isn’t magic. I do feel differently about the “allies” who “support” and encourage this, though. 

Not being questioned—or even the idea that you should not be, the promise of it, the ethos that posits anyone who questions you is a bigot—was so seductive for me as well. That felt like power. A lot of people questioned me, but it made me feel righteous and unfairly persecuted, and even stronger in my resolve to defy them.

Ha, now who’s rambling. Anyway, what you said is awesome and thanks for speaking your piece. Hope to hear more from you.

I think pressure is a big part of it, and people definitely see transition as a way out of problems that shouldn’t even be problems. I know a rather extreme MtF example.

I recently found an old friend of mine on tumblr that I hadn’t spoken to since high school ended — he is a trans activist dating a transwoman and now considers himself trans as well.  He’s super active on social media and talks openly about his transition.  I’ve known him since he was 12, and he was always a typical horndog straight boy who had no interest in girly things.

When he came out as trans, his justification was literally nothing more than because he thought he wasn’t manly enough and would make a better girl. That is the ONLY reason. There was no sex dysmorphia (he’s doing HRT so he can be prettier but keeping his ladypenis, of course), he’s still ostensibly straight (his trans partner is post-op and passes fairly well), nor are there other psychological reasons (aside from his apparent insecurity).  He even admitted on his blog that transitioning seemed to be easier than going through life as an unusual male.  

The worst part is now that he’s started living as a woman he’s been posting pornographic selfies all over the place (he never did this as a guy).  Having been a huge porn consumer all this time, it’s been hammered into his brain that woman = sex object, and getting men to fap to his panty shots is validation that he’s a real woman.  It’s sad and ridiculous.  Nothing about it is healthy.

I’m sure that dating someone who was trans really helped to solidify the “if they could do it, I can too!” mentality.  People think it’s so easy to switch bodies like it’ll solve everything and never stop to think about the medical realities of taking high doses of synthetic hormones.  Transitioning is not a magical coping mechanism that will make your life complete, but so many people talk about it like it is.

Anyway, I can only imagine how much pressure there is on NGC women to just “get it over with” and go FtM because warping your body to fit your personality into the appropriate stereotype is the natural order of things now.

“Smashing the gender binary” my ass.  



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firelord-frowny

fire-lord-frowny:

I know it sounds fucking ridiculous and might not make any sense, whether you’re cis or trans or neither, but my reasoning was like this:

  1. Women are vapid, shallow, frivolous, and intellectually slow
  2. Men are complex, deep, important, and intellectually gifted
  3. I am not vapid or shallow or frivolous or intellectually slow
  4. But I AM complex, deep, important, and intellectually gifted
  5. Therefor I must have been born in the wrong body. 

And I hated myself. I didn’t want to see myself naked. I was keenly aware of how the female body was either looked at as something to be repulsed by, or something simply to use and discard of. So I loathed my female parts. And I tried to distance myself from all things associated with femininity - shit, you should have seen me 10th-12th grade. I’d go online and call myself Jonathan. It was the only way I felt like I could “be myself.” I’d wear shirts that squashed my breasts. I’d cry myself to sleep on most nights because I knew I could never ~truly~ occupy the body I felt like I was meant to occupy. 

Oh, and let’s not even get started on the internalized racism… basically all my negative feelings toward women were also present in how I felt about black people. And my poor, corrupted little brain rationalized it the same way: “Obviously, I’m supposed to be white.” 

And I tried to research ways to bleach my skin, ways to make my hair permanently straight even as it grew out of my head…

This shit fucked me up so bad, and I wanted to die because I could never be a ~real~ man and I could never be white. 

It wasn’t until I was nearly 17 that I slowly began to realize,

wait just a fuckin’ minute… women are AMAZING. Black people are AMAZING. BLACK WOMEN ARE FUCKIN’ INCREDIBLE. And so am I. 

Because it wasn’t until then that I started being more exposed to positive, realistic portrayals of women/black women/black people. And I know it sounds cheesy as hell, but it started with me watching the Tyra Show. 

So like…

yeah. 

That’s the condensed version of my story. 

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a-turbochook-deactivated2019021

How much pressure do you feel to transition?

asexual-turbochook:

This is pretty much what clued me into becoming skeptical of the movement back when I was having a major gender crisis. There’s a lot of positive reinforcement but no critical analysis; encouragement to “be weird just like us” but no stopping to check if it’s right for you individually.

Unfortunately I think they don’t realise that being unquestioningly accepting of anything that sounds like it makes someone part of the demographic — is actually incredibly harmful. They seem to be too focused on increasing their numbers (“yay! More people like us!”) and not looking checking whether or not it’s right for the individual who may have issues that require a completely different set of treatment options. In some trans subcultures there’s even overwhelming encouragement to impose nonsensical pronoun sets onto others with no regard to ESL and disabled people’s ability to parse/remember them. Anything to make a vulnerable person part of the trans demographic, even if it’s zero-transition superficial word-bullying (~the trans umbrella allows for it after all~)

The word “gatekeeping” is demonised to a large degree in the trans community, because they’re scared of turning away someone who needs help. But not gatekeeping lets in predators and abusive people who take advantage of that kindness, people who by virtue of being skilled manipulators seat themselves in untouchable social standings (authority, tenure, trusted). It hurts people for whom transition is the wrong answer to their problems. If someone tries to express concern or dissent they get bullied and kicked out for “daring” to go against the ideology. Critical thought is completely stifled in the trans community. There’s actually no duty of care for questioning people who need help but for whom transition or language-buggering (by the latter of which I mean nounself pronouns and genders that don’t refer to the sex traits one needs their body to be) isn’t going to be the right path for them.

If I’d had the money and ability to travel, I might have been partially transitioned by now. I’m glad I didn’t. But I’m so angry that nearly every online trans community never questioned if transition would have been right for me, even though I was begging to be informed as to whether I was on the right track or not because I did not want to make expensive mistakes that’d “harm the community” by having to detransition.

I think that by billing themselves as the answer to gendered problems for GNC individuals like myself, the trans community is acting like a cult, and that’s regressive enforcement of gender roles.

“Critical thought is completely stifled in the trans
community.” And that’s what motivated me to start this blog. So grateful to you all.

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throughalleternity asked:

right now. But something that's completely reversible is using the name and pronouns that your child wants. Maybe you're already doing this, and that's great! If not, this would be a good chance for your child to see if it feels right. Basically(2/?)

4thwavenow answered:

A “male” name is no problem. Wearing “men’s clothes” (I’ve often worn “men’s clothes” my entire adult life, having imbibed in the 70s-80s the then-radical-why-did-we-go-backwards-in-the-2000s idea that a WOman can wear anything she wants) is cool. But the pronoun thing feels like a slippery slope. I don’t think a person with two x chromosomes and a scientifically-verifiable female body is a “he” or a “him.” Transition is a conveyer belt, and certain things (like being called “he”) seem to me like they would increase dysphoria. Let me say I don’t doubt for a minute that the feeling and idea of dysphoria are real. I don’t question a person’s feelings. What I question is what to DO with that feeling.

feudalnerd:

4thwavenow:

roslynholcomb:

4thwavenow:

sinbadism:

they would only increase dysphoria if the child felt dysphoric about those pronouns. actually use their preferred pronouns and you’ll see if they feel dysphoria or not.


Being called “he” would increase and validate the feeling/idea that she, as a biological female, is “in the wrong body.” It’s self-fulfilling. Dissociation from objective reality is only encouraged by the trans paradigm. With any other mental health diagnosis, dissociation is considered something to treat, not validate. People with body dysmorphic disorder (a different diagnosis) want to amputate healthy body parts, but psychologists and surgeons are not rushing to support that desire.

I think you’re dead on right here. I can’t think of any other disorder in which the “treatment”is validation of that disorder. Years ago, back in the 90s, I started a shelter for teens many of whom were GNC. I’ve maintained contact with some of those teens over the years. Some are gay men. Some are lesbian women. Some turned out bisexual and others straight. None of them are crossdressing anymore though some still maintain an androgynous appearance. The same is true of the self proclaimed witches, goths, etc… Obviously, the circumstances are different. These kids were runaways and thrown away, but for the most part they were just gay and with greater acceptance of homosexuality some have even been able to reconnect with their families of origin.

I said all this to say, hang in there. Do your damnedest to keep her from doing anything permanent and there’s a very good chance she might come out on the other side without having to spend the rest of life taking medicalizing her body for a mental disorder.

Thanks for your strong support and this excellent background story. Things have changed so much since the ‘90′s. The charge of “transphobia,” with some very unbalanced people actually physically threatening questioners like you and me, has had a chilling effect on open dialogue. But I take heart from you. Thank you!

The other thing is, it feels -exciting- to be called by different pronouns. I identified as genderqueer for years. I still remember the first time my friends asked me what pronouns I used. It was thrilling, and it felt empowering to get to decide that much about myself—I couldn’t control my body, but my friends would call me “they”. It’s seductive.

Of course, it’s not really empowering, and I didn’t need anything encouraging me to dissociate from my body even further. Now I’m 30, and I’m certain that I would have identified as trans if the current culture had been around when I was a teenager. As it was, I found second-wave feminism instead. I wasn’t introduced to the gender cult until I was in my 20’s & it did enough damage that way.

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sinbadism

Anonymous asked:

I'm a 21 year old lesbian who has watched a number of her friends declare themselves to be 'genderqueer' or ftm rather than the seemingly dirty word of lesbian or even woman. I'm gnc and constantly asked what my preferred pronouns are. When I proudly say SHE it is met with derision and a sneer as if I'll soon grow out of it. This new attack on womanhood is frightening. Thank you for creating this blog and posting the truth.

4thwavenow answered:

Keep the faith. It gives me hope and courage just hearing from young women like you. I recommend immersing yourself in some of the lesbian feminist literature and music from the Second Wave: Meg Christian, Cris Williamson, Teresa Trull, and many others. I look forward to more out lesbian performers as we move out of Peak Trans.

sinbadism:

stop trying to encourage  trans men/non-women to be in the closet and not transition. that’s fucking shitty to women like me who would rather not be in lesbian spaces full of self-hating non-lesbians

See, I don’t consider it a closet, and I’m not going to stop offering my opinions. I’m on Tumblr because I feel voices like mine have been silenced: thoughtful, caring, progressive-liberal parents who feel cowed into submission by the much louder voices issuing from the dominant trans paradigm. 

I don’t think anyone should have to be in a lesbian space who doesn’t want to be, and i don’t want to see anyone hate themselves. What I am suggesting is more support for and more thought given to other solutions for the very real personal, subjective feeling of gender dysphoria. There are some amazing destransitioners on Tumblr who can address this far better than I can, and I hope they will weigh in here.

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Anonymous asked:

Hey, good luck with your daughter. Just a few months ago, I was like her. I used to think I was a boy inside because I liked "boys' stuff" and girls.

4thwavenow answered:

Nice to hear from you. What changed? How can I, and other parents like me, help our daughters accept themselves as they are? Would love to hear more.

sinbadism:

the only way is to be supportive. like, then they will realize on their own what they really feel about their gender. i sincerely hope your “daughter” doesn’t find this blog because it’s a surefire way to make them hate you forever. seriously if my mom had been like you i would have stayed convinced i was ftm. that’s just how teenagers work

You’re right that teenagers tend to do the exact opposite of what their parents advise, and that trying to force a change will backfire. Also, I try very hard to respect and validate her FEELINGS about gender (while raising questions about what to DO about those feelings).  It’s a hard balance to strike, as any parent will tell you. But I don’t believe the best alternative is to simply support everything she says or does when, in my heart of hearts, I disagree. I’ll also say that having been a very rebellious and opinionated adolescent myself, I wish my parents had actually asserted themselves MORE when I made some very unhealthy choices. And yeah, I hated them then, but as hard as this might be to hear—now I know they were right about certain things. Even when they weren’t, I get it, now that I have a kid myself, that they were just trying to help me the best way they knew how. Not that there aren’t horrible parents in the world. I was lucky to be loved by flawed but essentially decent human beings. 

I have adult friends who I envied as teens because their parents were “cool” and went along with all their drug use. To a person, they’ve all been in rehab or worse. I know, I know—having gender dysphoria is not the same as using drugs, but we are in the middle of a huge, uncontrolled experiment being perpetrated on kids (from toddler to teen) with powerful, dangerous hormones and surgery being pushed as the one and only solution. If medical transition wasn’t being promoted the way it is now, I wouldn’t even be on Tumblr.

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Anonymous asked:

So what if, when all is said and done here, she comes of age and still decides she wants to do this and can do so without your approval. Would you love her any less for her decision?

She and I have had this conversation. I am not naive about my power to influence her decisions once she is financially independent and living on her own. I will always be available to her, and I have made this very clear. I couldn’t stop loving her if I tried. If she chooses “transition,” I will find a way to live with it. I will have to. On this issue,  I may have to go down fighting. But fight I will.

That said, loving my child means I will be honest when I disagree, and that I will offer my own truth; that is a key part of my job as parent to an adolescent (and I have to emphasize again that human brains don’t fully develop until the mid-20s). It also means that I won’t financially support decisions that I think are harmful. 

 In our youth culture, the guidance of elders has been demoted as compared to earlier times, but now that I’m middle aged myself, the words of my parents echo in my mind, and much of who I am in my core values is because of the specific ways they tried to guide me.  

And you know? If I had a good friend who, in my estimation, was making bad decisions, I’d tell them. I’d want them to do the same for me. Love isn’t a rubber stamp.  Love may be unconditional, but support for every choice and opinion is not.

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Anon said: “You’ve mentioned YouTube as a source of much of this trend of young women IDing as ftm/nb/gq. I don’t know if you are aware of them, but BluntedFSharps has several videos about life on/off T and he offers a very different perspective than you often see. You probably won’t agree with everything he says (I certainly don’t), but he has some great criticism of the emotional toll of testosterone and it might be worth looking into.”

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Anon, I’m so glad you brought up Jonah, one of the most thoughtful FTMs on YouTube. I link here to my favorite video. Like Anon, I don’t agree with all Jonah says, but Jonah’s eloquent explanation of quitting “T” to return to the richer world of estrogen is so moving. Worth a watch.

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Stories like this depress me. The teen is treated as a font of wisdom based strictly on personal feelings and ideas. Paul McHugh, the former HEAD of the Johns Hopkins sex reassignment clinic, is dismissed by the 14-year-old (and by association, the author of this article) as an imbecile “who doesn’t know anything” because he used the word “transgendered” instead of “transgender.” This is the dystopian, self-lobotomized world we live in in 2015: we’ve handed the keys to our medical and psychological establishment to CHILDREN on the basis of their feelings. What could possibly go wrong?

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