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Too much genderist koolaid

shadycatz:

the-idea-of-her:

1-800-civilization:

the-idea-of-her:

1-800-civilization:

Sometimes you really DO have to be feminine to be a girl. It sounds like bullshit, but the idea that’girlhood’ doesn’t exist is a fucking radfeminist lie designed to not just silence, but KILL trans people and their collective experience of sexism, particularly transmisogyny. 

What is this fucking misogynistic trash oh my god oh my god
*barfs*

Perhaps I’m not explaining myself properly. I mean to say that little girls who grow up feeling disconnected from ‘girlhood’ maybe have a very good reason for that, for example, maybe they’re actually little boys, like I was/am. Does that make more sense now?

I repeat: what is this misogynistic trash?
Just because someone doesn’t like “girly things” doesn’t make them trans. Being trans is about dysphoria. Not “i am masculine” or “i am feminine.” All this does is perpetuate harmful ideas that all women are inherently feminine and all men are inherently masculine.
This idea is dangerous and i fear what it will mean for GNC children who are fine with their bodies, but whose parents drink to much of the genderist kool aid.

It’s official. All butch lesbians are actually men.

Also, I must be trans as well. I don’t wear makeup, I don’t shave, I absolutely hate feminine products, and I only conform to SOME female stereotypes because I’m not in full control of my life, being a teenager, and I don’t get to make all the decisions about what I do. Wow, I’m a boy!!!

I’m the parent of a GNC girl and I’m not drinking the damn genderist KoolAid, even if she is. What are we gonna do to reach the parents who are guzzling the stuff?

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genderdeceit

How much pressure do you feel to transition?

genderdeceit:

4thwavenow:

Just curious: How many of you gender non-conforming girls/women feel pressure (from peers, media, whatever) to “transition” to male? Is it worse in some geographic areas or countries? There’s quite a bit of pressure in more urban or “blue” states here in the US. What’s your experience, girls on the front line?

(FtM perspective (sort of. I don’t know if that fits anymore. I stopped giving a shit a while ago))


I feel like one of the most dangerous aspects of the pressure to transition is that, often, it does not feel like you are being pressured. There are not many people saying ‘oh, you don’t make a good woman—transition!’ (though I have seen more and more of this over the last year or two), but rather there is a great deal of gentle coaxing and ‘innocent’ mistakes and assumptions (the preferred pronouns thing comes to mind here, or the stories I’ve heard from butch lesbians about being asked WHEN they plan to transition).

Obviously, there is and always has been a pressure for GNC women to become more gender conforming. Ten, twenty years ago, that pressure was for such people to act more like what society expects from a woman. But now, there is another option, and it is a disturbingly tantalizing one. Transition is an instantaneously appealing option, especially for those of us who deal with sex dysphoria and are promised (falsely) that it is a solution.

When you see the idea of transition or IDing as something other than woman, you are presented with so many new ideas about who you can be—FtM, NB, GQ, demi, or whatever other language is going ‘round the circles these days. And the moment you mention your desire to explore outside of what is traditionally associated with womanhood, you get so much support. Whenever you mention that you switched pronouns or came out to your parents or your best friend or that you talked to your doctor about T, you get patted on the back and told what a great job you’re doing and how people are proud of you. I can’t imagine how appealing this level of support is for a teenager.

(and don’t get me wrong, most people who offer support are not doing it with malicious intent. They are doing it out of the kindness of their hearts, and some of the most loving, generous, kind people I have met in my life are transmen. It’s a wider social problem that extends far beyond these individuals or even the trans community as a whole)

And worse, no one ever questions it. No one questions it! That is the scariest thing about this surge in trans politics. No one questions your self diagnosis. It’s outright taboo. During my transition, I saw a therapist. I had two doctors prescribing my testosterone. I had a third doctor aware of my transition, but treating a separate medical issue. I came out to my friends, my family, my employers. The only time that the motivation for my decision to transition was questioned was by my father. When I came out to him, he asked me if this was about liking women.

(It wasn’t—I like men—but it’s a perfectly valid question given the current state of trans politics)

I don’t know exactly where I was going with this, but I almost feel like ‘pressure’ is too simple a word for the phenomena of this massive spike in transition or female disidentification that we’ve seen over the last few years. It’s almost more akin to a mass psychogenic illness.

Thank you, genderdeceit.

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throughalleternity asked:

right now. But something that's completely reversible is using the name and pronouns that your child wants. Maybe you're already doing this, and that's great! If not, this would be a good chance for your child to see if it feels right. Basically(2/?)

4thwavenow answered:

A “male” name is no problem. Wearing “men’s clothes” (I’ve often worn “men’s clothes” my entire adult life, having imbibed in the 70s-80s the then-radical-why-did-we-go-backwards-in-the-2000s idea that a WOman can wear anything she wants) is cool. But the pronoun thing feels like a slippery slope. I don’t think a person with two x chromosomes and a scientifically-verifiable female body is a “he” or a “him.” Transition is a conveyer belt, and certain things (like being called “he”) seem to me like they would increase dysphoria. Let me say I don’t doubt for a minute that the feeling and idea of dysphoria are real. I don’t question a person’s feelings. What I question is what to DO with that feeling.

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4thwavenow:

roslynholcomb:

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sinbadism:

they would only increase dysphoria if the child felt dysphoric about those pronouns. actually use their preferred pronouns and you’ll see if they feel dysphoria or not.


Being called “he” would increase and validate the feeling/idea that she, as a biological female, is “in the wrong body.” It’s self-fulfilling. Dissociation from objective reality is only encouraged by the trans paradigm. With any other mental health diagnosis, dissociation is considered something to treat, not validate. People with body dysmorphic disorder (a different diagnosis) want to amputate healthy body parts, but psychologists and surgeons are not rushing to support that desire.

I think you’re dead on right here. I can’t think of any other disorder in which the “treatment”is validation of that disorder. Years ago, back in the 90s, I started a shelter for teens many of whom were GNC. I’ve maintained contact with some of those teens over the years. Some are gay men. Some are lesbian women. Some turned out bisexual and others straight. None of them are crossdressing anymore though some still maintain an androgynous appearance. The same is true of the self proclaimed witches, goths, etc… Obviously, the circumstances are different. These kids were runaways and thrown away, but for the most part they were just gay and with greater acceptance of homosexuality some have even been able to reconnect with their families of origin.

I said all this to say, hang in there. Do your damnedest to keep her from doing anything permanent and there’s a very good chance she might come out on the other side without having to spend the rest of life taking medicalizing her body for a mental disorder.

Thanks for your strong support and this excellent background story. Things have changed so much since the ‘90′s. The charge of “transphobia,” with some very unbalanced people actually physically threatening questioners like you and me, has had a chilling effect on open dialogue. But I take heart from you. Thank you!

The other thing is, it feels -exciting- to be called by different pronouns. I identified as genderqueer for years. I still remember the first time my friends asked me what pronouns I used. It was thrilling, and it felt empowering to get to decide that much about myself—I couldn’t control my body, but my friends would call me “they”. It’s seductive.

Of course, it’s not really empowering, and I didn’t need anything encouraging me to dissociate from my body even further. Now I’m 30, and I’m certain that I would have identified as trans if the current culture had been around when I was a teenager. As it was, I found second-wave feminism instead. I wasn’t introduced to the gender cult until I was in my 20’s & it did enough damage that way.

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sinbadism

Anonymous asked:

I'm a 21 year old lesbian who has watched a number of her friends declare themselves to be 'genderqueer' or ftm rather than the seemingly dirty word of lesbian or even woman. I'm gnc and constantly asked what my preferred pronouns are. When I proudly say SHE it is met with derision and a sneer as if I'll soon grow out of it. This new attack on womanhood is frightening. Thank you for creating this blog and posting the truth.

4thwavenow answered:

Keep the faith. It gives me hope and courage just hearing from young women like you. I recommend immersing yourself in some of the lesbian feminist literature and music from the Second Wave: Meg Christian, Cris Williamson, Teresa Trull, and many others. I look forward to more out lesbian performers as we move out of Peak Trans.

sinbadism:

stop trying to encourage  trans men/non-women to be in the closet and not transition. that’s fucking shitty to women like me who would rather not be in lesbian spaces full of self-hating non-lesbians

See, I don’t consider it a closet, and I’m not going to stop offering my opinions. I’m on Tumblr because I feel voices like mine have been silenced: thoughtful, caring, progressive-liberal parents who feel cowed into submission by the much louder voices issuing from the dominant trans paradigm. 

I don’t think anyone should have to be in a lesbian space who doesn’t want to be, and i don’t want to see anyone hate themselves. What I am suggesting is more support for and more thought given to other solutions for the very real personal, subjective feeling of gender dysphoria. There are some amazing destransitioners on Tumblr who can address this far better than I can, and I hope they will weigh in here.

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sinbadism

Anonymous asked:

Hey, good luck with your daughter. Just a few months ago, I was like her. I used to think I was a boy inside because I liked "boys' stuff" and girls.

4thwavenow answered:

Nice to hear from you. What changed? How can I, and other parents like me, help our daughters accept themselves as they are? Would love to hear more.

sinbadism:

the only way is to be supportive. like, then they will realize on their own what they really feel about their gender. i sincerely hope your “daughter” doesn’t find this blog because it’s a surefire way to make them hate you forever. seriously if my mom had been like you i would have stayed convinced i was ftm. that’s just how teenagers work

You’re right that teenagers tend to do the exact opposite of what their parents advise, and that trying to force a change will backfire. Also, I try very hard to respect and validate her FEELINGS about gender (while raising questions about what to DO about those feelings).  It’s a hard balance to strike, as any parent will tell you. But I don’t believe the best alternative is to simply support everything she says or does when, in my heart of hearts, I disagree. I’ll also say that having been a very rebellious and opinionated adolescent myself, I wish my parents had actually asserted themselves MORE when I made some very unhealthy choices. And yeah, I hated them then, but as hard as this might be to hear—now I know they were right about certain things. Even when they weren’t, I get it, now that I have a kid myself, that they were just trying to help me the best way they knew how. Not that there aren’t horrible parents in the world. I was lucky to be loved by flawed but essentially decent human beings. 

I have adult friends who I envied as teens because their parents were “cool” and went along with all their drug use. To a person, they’ve all been in rehab or worse. I know, I know—having gender dysphoria is not the same as using drugs, but we are in the middle of a huge, uncontrolled experiment being perpetrated on kids (from toddler to teen) with powerful, dangerous hormones and surgery being pushed as the one and only solution. If medical transition wasn’t being promoted the way it is now, I wouldn’t even be on Tumblr.

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Anonymous asked:

So what if, when all is said and done here, she comes of age and still decides she wants to do this and can do so without your approval. Would you love her any less for her decision?

She and I have had this conversation. I am not naive about my power to influence her decisions once she is financially independent and living on her own. I will always be available to her, and I have made this very clear. I couldn’t stop loving her if I tried. If she chooses “transition,” I will find a way to live with it. I will have to. On this issue,  I may have to go down fighting. But fight I will.

That said, loving my child means I will be honest when I disagree, and that I will offer my own truth; that is a key part of my job as parent to an adolescent (and I have to emphasize again that human brains don’t fully develop until the mid-20s). It also means that I won’t financially support decisions that I think are harmful. 

 In our youth culture, the guidance of elders has been demoted as compared to earlier times, but now that I’m middle aged myself, the words of my parents echo in my mind, and much of who I am in my core values is because of the specific ways they tried to guide me.  

And you know? If I had a good friend who, in my estimation, was making bad decisions, I’d tell them. I’d want them to do the same for me. Love isn’t a rubber stamp.  Love may be unconditional, but support for every choice and opinion is not.

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It ain’t a liberation movement

Like most good liberals, I was totally on board with transgender “liberation.” After all, it’s the next civil rights struggle, right? I’ve marched against war, racism, for health care, for women’s and gay and lesbian rights.  In the 1980s, I surfed the Second Wave of feminism, loving who I chose, dressing as I chose, speaking my mind, and living the life of equality first wavers like Susan B. Anthony,Charlotte Gilman, and Emma Goldman fought so hard for. I was a two-time election worker on President Obama’s campaigns. In the past couple of years, I celebrated as homophobic laws toppled, state by state, and gay marriage morphed into mainstream reality. And until recently, I’ve had the unexamined, vague conviction that the “T” in LGBT was part of the same good trend: more inclusion for the marginalized.

But that has all changed. I’ve shifted from the cookie-cutter progressive vantage point I inhabited only a few months ago. It’s not a 180 turnaround. I believe in civil rights for all people, and I don’t think trans people should face job, housing, or other discrimination. But I no longer see transgenderism as a liberation movement. From where I now stand, I see it as a profound and fundamentally conservative undermining of the gains of the Second Wave of feminism. It’s the Third Wave, a tsunami of narcissism, of post-modernist relativism run amok…a hall of mirrors, wave upon wave of shiny, YouTube transition videos and Tumblr confessions… where subjective feelings and ideas always trump physical reality.

Something has gone wrong. Very wrong. I’ve been asleep for 20 years, but now I’m waking up…because my own teenage daughter is being churned and tossed in this very turbulent sea.

When my daughter announced to me that she is transgender a few months ago, my initial reaction was basically positive—even though she had never before expressed an inkling of any such identity. In fact, she had always talked about how glad she was to be a girl. I’d raised her to feel that, like me, she could dress, act, or be anything she wanted to be and until very recently, that’s exactly what she did.

The change was abrupt. She admitted to binge-watching triumphant and ecstatic FTM transition videos for days on end. She started using jargon like “genderqueer.” But despite this turnaround, despite misgivings, I made an appointment with a gender therapist, ruminating on what it would mean to welcome a son into the erstwhile form of a daughter.

A researcher and scientist by profession and by avocation, I dived deeply into the Internet and medical literature on FTMs. And the more I read, talked, and emailed (and I delved a lot), the weaker my kneejerk-liberal “trans ally” position became.

I learned that everything I had taken for granted about women’s liberation has changed. A dislike of pink and traditionally (think: 1950s norms) female activities and interests now means a girl, a teen, is “actually” a boy.  Instead of acceptance if a girl wears denim and button-down shirts, that’s called by the archaic term “cross dressing” and the girl is pressured to “transition.” Gender role conformity is more rigid than ever, which is the great irony of transgenderism. Girls who used to find their home as “butch” lesbians don’t have anyone to identify with or look up to anymore. Women’s or lesbian bookstores, discussion groups, bars seem to have vanished from the face of the earth. Everything has been subsumed under the “queer” label.  And while nearly all FTMs start out as lesbians, they disavow it after beginning “transition.” They were never really lesbians, after all. They are really just crossdressers who yearn to be male.

And when it comes to “transition,” the holy grail, the magic elixir, is testosterone. It would be one thing if “T” could be used experimentally, then abandoned, with only temporary and reversible changes to the mind and body. Then you could say: Why not? Give it a try. But even a few weeks on “T” usually results in forever-thickened vocal cords, forever-thickened body and facial hair, and—by some accounts I’ve read—even brain changes that are hard to undo.  If a girl or woman transitions and changes her mind, she will forever live in a modified, androgen-altered body, whether she likes it later or not. Sterility is another risk. And many FTMs on long term hormone treatment are plagued by chronic infections, heart trouble, high blood pressure, premature aging.

That the frontal lobes of teenagers’ brains are not fully developed is now settled science, no more controversial than gravity or evolution.  We now know that executive function–judgment, impulse control, planning, and self monitoring skills–don’t reach maturity in young people until at least the age of 25. Yet the medical and psychological professions are allowing—no, they are pushing—surgical and pharmaceutical transition as the “answer” for teens who are questioning their identities. There’s a huge cognitive dissonance here: If adolescence is a time of limited executive function, how on earth can we be encouraging, let alone celebrating, such life-changing decisions being made by teen (and much younger) people?

How can it be that surgery and testosterone are now seen as the only viable solution to the feeling that a female doesn’t fit conventional gender stereotypes? What happened to: women can be anything they want to be? Shave your legs, don’t, cut your hair, don’t….love who you want, work on cars, have a child, don’t….that’s liberation as I’ve always understood it. But Second Wave feminism is considered stodgy and old fashioned now. Despite its fundamentally liberating message to women.

A 4th Wave of Feminism. We need it. We need it NOW.

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